13) Quran Study: Surah 7:12 (12/24/89)

Study From Behrouz 313 Sura 7:12, By Rashad. Adam & Eve's Body

(0:00) A'ūdhu biLlāhi mina sh-shayṭāni r-rajīm. (0:02) BismiLlāhi r-Rahmāni r-Rahīm. (0:04) The test begins. (0:08) God said to Satan, What prevented you from prostrating when I ordered you? (0:15) He said, I'm better than he. (0:16) You created me from fire and created him from mud. (0:25) So this verse, obviously, is after the rebellion and after deciding to give the human being a body, this body that's made from the earth's material, and giving Satan a body made from energy, or made from fire, literally. (0:45) If you go many, many years before that, Satan thought he can be a god beside God and thus created the different opinions among God's creatures in God's kingdom, where the vast majority upheld God's absolute authority and the tiny minority agreed with Satan to different degrees. (1:08) And after that, God decided to cause Satan to bluff and give him a dominion and constituents. (1:16) Those who agreed with him will also become his constituents and the planet Earth is to become his dominion. (1:25) And the clan called for... (1:28) In fact, this was after putting all those creatures to death. (1:34) And then... (1:39) This verse here has to do with telling the angels that they will serve the human being on this earth, drive the wind, guarantee the provision, guard them, serve them, because they serve us, angels serve us, even though we are the rebels and they are the ones who upheld God's absolute authority, but they are participating in the plan that God is carrying out. (2:05) And this is exactly why we were talking about this last night, where they beat up the disbelievers at the end, because they served them with the hope that they will come back to God's kingdom, they will redeem themselves, they will repent, they will apologize for the mistakes they committed. (2:25) But then when the life comes to an end and the person is a disbeliever, then they beat him up because they served him all this life, they provided him with all the means to redeem himself, but then at the end he died as an unappreciative of God. (2:45) So, we understand all this by looking at this verse. (2:50) So, what prevented you from prostrating means you are not cooperating, you are not participating in serving the human being. (3:06) This may indicate also that Japheth did not want to guarantee the happiness and welfare of any human being. (3:15) He wanted to keep his options open, because he is supposed to act as a God, meaning he is supposed to make everybody happy and wealthy and healthy and perfectly alright. (3:30) But he didn't want this guarantee. (3:33) He wants to be free to punish whomever he will, persecute whomever he will, and help whomever he will. (3:41) So, this is why he did not prostrate before the human being. (3:49) When God told him that he will be a temporary God, this meant that he was supposed to take care of his constituents and make them perfectly happy. (3:56) So, maybe he wanted some exit in case he cannot do it. (3:59) He would say, oh, I am just persecuting God. (4:03) But of course, his failure is blaring now. (4:07) Number 13, God said, Therefore you must go down, for you are not to be arrogant here. (4:14) Get out, you are debased. (4:18) So, this is a confirmation of his dismissal from God's kingdom. (4:26) Number 14, Satan said, Grant me a respite until the day of resurrection. (4:34) God said, You are granted a respite. (4:37) He said, Since you have willed that I go astray, I will scout for them on your state path. (4:54) In this verse 16, Satan acknowledges that everything happens in accordance with God's will. (5:01) And it is God's will that we will. (5:03) That we have a free choice. (5:05) God's will that we will. (5:07) And that all his creatures will. (5:09) Because this rebellion indicates that God's creatures have freedom of choice. (5:15) In fact, the very first verse we read indicates that God's creatures can say no. (5:24) God said, Fall prostrate. (5:25) And Satan said, No, I will not. (5:28) So, it indicates, if this did not happen, we would never know that God's creatures have freedom of choice. (5:40) So, Satan said in number 16, Since you have willed that I go astray, I will scout for them on your state path. (5:47) I will come to them from their front, from their back, from their right, and from their left. (5:53) And you will find that most of them are unappreciative. (6:00) Okay, 17. (6:02) 7.17. Remember this verse. (6:05) Because you will see it. (6:07) We experienced it. (6:09) And we see it all around us. (6:10) That Satan comes to the human being from his front, back, right, and left. (6:15) And never runs out of tricks to divert us. (6:24) This place right here is his number one target. (6:28) People come here. (6:30) What do they come here for? (6:31) Do they come here to worship God alone? (6:33) Or for the word of God alone? (6:34) This is exactly what Satan does not want. (6:37) And he will put up all kinds of obstacles. (6:42) And all kinds of tests, persecutions. (6:47) In many, many different and strange ways. (6:54) And it is good because this guarantees that all God's people are solid believers. (7:01) They are unshakable. (7:03) No matter what happens. (7:05) Or who says what. (7:10) I will come to them from their front, from their back, from their right, and from their left. (7:15) And you will find that most of them are unappreciative. (7:19) I think one of Satan's objectives is to show God that some humans are worse than he is. (7:25) Than Satan. (7:28) And it is true. (7:29) Some humans out-satan-satan. (7:33) Satan is hoping that God may have mercy on him when he sees that some creatures are worse than he is. (7:47) I recall this fellow when I was talking in Los Angeles. (7:51) And this professor at Chicago Seminary came out and gave a talk that the Quran is a hallucination by Muhammad. (8:01) And immediately after him I gave a talk that the Quran could not be the word of human beings. (8:05) It has to be the word of God. (8:08) And here is the physical evidence. (8:11) And I gave some details of the miracle. (8:16) Including the total of the numbers in the Quran. (8:18) When you take all the numbers mentioned in the Quran and add them up, the total is divisible by 19. (8:23) So these people from the American Islamic College in Chicago, also the same city. (8:33) They stood up and instead of attacking Dr. Hamilton, they attacked Rashad Khalifa. (8:39) They attacked me. (8:41) The guy who said the Quran is a hallucination by Muhammad is okay. (8:45) But the person who stood up to say the Quran is the word of God, they attacked me. (8:51) And they said, you didn't count the Shada. (8:53) Ar-Rahman is the Shada on the right. (8:55) You must count two right. (8:58) Muhammad is five letters. (9:00) He had written before that, that Muhammad is five letters. (9:07) And I think his objective was because in the appendix 2, or I had published that if you add Ibrahim, Muhammad and Rashad, the values of this and that. (9:15) So they want to mess this up. (9:18) And he wants Muhammad to be written Muhammad. (9:20) You know, two M's. (9:22) So when he stood up and mentioned his name, I said, oh, you're the fellow who thinks Muhammad should be five letters. (9:27) And even the Americans laughed. (9:30) I'm not Arabic speaking people. (9:32) He said, yes. (9:34) If you put five coins on top of each other and you look at them, how many do you see? (9:39) I said, it depends on the angle. Speaker 3 (9:41) Okay, five. (9:42) Hundred. (9:43) Yeah. (9:44) By the way, the secret of the talk was that the Hamid Khan must have talked before when they talked about the Quranic definition of Muhammad. (10:07) Exactly before Rashad talked. (10:13) Who planned it this way? (10:16) And how many people were talking? (10:17) That was three days in a row or something. (10:20) It was three days. (10:21) And they put people at the end. (10:23) You know, they didn't organize it. Speaker 1 (10:29) They thought the chairman of the Tehran was me. (10:35) They were about to kill him, you know. (10:38) Atif was there and Ahsan was there. Speaker 2 (10:40) He said all his games. (10:42) He was expecting everybody to be angry and mad. (10:45) And he gave him a shot. (10:46) And he threw his last thing at it. (10:48) Oh, and you were the one who came, you were the messenger. (10:51) And you got everybody's name there. (10:53) You got the scientific team. (10:54) You got everyone, you know. (10:56) And he said, yes, it is. (10:59) And, you know, I think the guy was just, you know, trying to get everybody to get angry. (11:03) Oh, he was the one who was the messenger of God. (11:05) Exactly. (11:06) But everybody seemed to be rather just listening. (11:08) And I think the guy was shocked. (11:10) He was expecting abuse and goop and all that. Speaker 8 (11:15) I think none of the members, maybe... Speaker 2 (11:16) I think he finished all his arguments and no response from the world. (11:20) He just said, oh, you're the one who's the messenger. (11:23) And they were all keen for that. (11:24) He was trying to get his wife. Speaker 8 (11:27) But then he ran away. (11:29) Remember? (11:29) When he didn't see the thing. Speaker 1 (11:30) He rushed out so fast. (11:32) He thought he was going to get a gun or something. (11:34) He got worried. (11:34) He said, I think the Indians gave him a diarrhea or something. (11:39) Because he rushed so fast. Speaker 8 (11:41) I will never join again. Speaker 1 (11:43) He rushed so fast. (11:44) He had a blind man with him. (11:46) Of course, they're all blind. (11:47) This one, also his eyes are blind. (11:49) Not just his heart. (11:51) And he was helping this blind man. (11:53) And he left his blind friend and ran. (11:56) And never saw him again. Speaker 2 (11:59) That's awful. (12:00) The audience, the guy was very fair. (12:05) Because every time the serpent was cut, he said, okay, he said, look at the Quran. (12:11) He counts the calves, for example, two calves, this one, half a calf, half a calf. (12:16) So he counted them, let's say, 59. (12:20) So he counted 57. (12:21) You see it this way, you say you're right, but you're also right. (12:26) Now that Raphat Khalifa, 57, has a miracle with it. (12:28) He counts to 59, he has no miracle with it. (12:30) So if you go really fair, if you count it on Raphat's way, it's 57. (12:35) If you want to count it your way, you can count it your way. (12:38) It doesn't come out of nothing. (12:39) There is no count there to count. (12:41) Look, if you were so fair, at least one of them, don't be upset, he counted that he was right on 57, and you want to count it, you count it 59, it doesn't matter. Speaker 1 (12:50) If you consider there are two methods of counting, one of them is what your eyes see, which is what Khalifa is suggesting, and one is your way. (12:59) If you want to count the Shaddadus too, fine, go ahead and do it. (13:02) He looked Pakistani or Afghani or something. Speaker 3 (13:07) One of the professors. (13:08) I think he was Iranian. (13:10) Could be. (13:10) His accent was Iranian, he looked Iranian. Speaker 1 (13:13) Anyway, so he said, Well, it's like having two boxes. (13:17) One is full of jewels, one is full of garbage. (13:19) Open the one you like. (13:21) You open this box, there's lots of jewels. (13:22) You open this one, there's lots of garbage in here. (13:26) Take your pick. (13:31) So this fellow is worse than Satan. (13:33) I would say Satan is Satan, that's for sure. (13:36) I mean, what are we trying to say? (13:37) We're trying to say the Quran is from God, and he is physical evidence. (13:40) What is he trying to do? (13:42) He's trying to destroy it. (13:44) Now, I mentioned the numbers specifically because it has nothing to do with spelling. (13:52) Yeah, no, Adib's discovery of the Fatiha has nothing to do with spelling or writing or nothing. (13:57) Because sometimes they say, Oh, the Quran is oral. (14:00) Well, it's right there, written. (14:03) One of the big things, I'm sure you heard that. (14:05) They say the Quran is oral. (14:07) Have you heard that argument? Speaker 7 (14:08) It was memorized. Speaker 1 (14:10) Yeah, transmitted orally. Speaker 7 (14:12) Orally, and then later on. Speaker 1 (14:13) Right. (14:14) So I asked him, what was the first word ever revealed in the Quran? (14:21) Read. (14:23) What is it? (14:23) Read lips? (14:25) Even now, if they read lips, it's 19 times when they read al-Fatiha. (14:32) So, God is killing all the excuses. (14:36) The first level. Speaker 2 (14:37) He's killing all of them. (14:41) He has to imagine things to come to right. (14:43) But Adib's spelling just blows out. (14:48) And I think what's wrong is that he was careful. (14:50) He was trying to provide more and more. Speaker 1 (14:57) The first revelation spoke about Ikhlaq and the pen. (15:02) He taught by means of the pen. (15:04) So what do you do with the pen? (15:06) Clean your ears? (15:10) And then the second revelation was entitled the pen. (15:15) The first revelation is read, and it had the pen in it. (15:19) And the second revelation was the pen. (15:21) Obviously God knew they would say that. (15:24) So, they would do anything to destroy God's miracle. Speaker 7 (15:27) They have Hadith which says, read and I can't read. Speaker 1 (15:31) Right. Speaker 3 (15:34) He found it in the Bible, by the way. (15:36) Yes, God. Speaker 1 (15:39) Approximately, in the Bible. (15:40) The book of Isaiah. (15:42) The angel came to the unlearned man or something and told him, read. (15:48) He said, I cannot read. (15:50) Very strange. (15:52) Kay Khosrow found it. (15:54) The book of Isaiah. (15:57) It's exactly the story they gave us in Hadith. (15:59) They probably took it from there. (16:04) There were many things taken from the Bible. (16:10) Like the Hadith about heaven having what an eye never seen, and the ear never heard, and never imagined by human beings. (16:18) Word for word. (16:20) I saw it in the Bible. Speaker 8 (16:22) Then God said, okay, go and study, come back. Speaker 1 (16:25) Yes, go learn how to read and write and come back. (16:31) 18. (16:33) God said, get out therefrom, despised and defeated. (16:36) Those among them who follow you, I will fill hell with you all. (16:40) As for you, Adam, dwell with your wife in paradise and eat therefrom as you please. (16:45) But do not approach this one tree, lest you transgress. (16:51) Now, we know that all descriptions of paradise or heaven are allegorical. (16:57) So, do not approach this one tree. (16:58) It's probably a law that God gave to Adam and Eve to uphold. (17:03) And the law is symbolized by the tree. (17:06) But we learn from this, 719, that heaven exists. (17:16) It was created. (17:19) Then when God created the seven universes, and it still exists today. (17:23) The righteous go straight to it. (17:24) They do not die. Speaker 11 (17:26) 20. Speaker 1 (17:29) The devil whispered to them. (17:30) So, Satan started to work on them. (17:33) In order to reveal their bodies, which were invisible to them. (17:38) He said, your Lord does not forbid you from this tree, except to prevent you from becoming angels and from attaining eternal existence. (17:48) So, one of the traits of Satan is lying. (17:52) He's a liar. (17:53) This is a lie. (17:56) And this is why those who are fighting us are lying right and left. (18:03) It's God's law that they argue against the truth of falsehood. (18:10) In other words, they are following their teacher, Satan. (18:27) This is good. (18:29) If you look at page 467, verse 5 says, Disbelieving before them was the people of Noah and many parties after them. (18:40) Every community attacked their messenger to neutralize him. (18:43) And they argued with falsehood to defeat the truth. (18:49) They argued with falsehood to defeat the truth. (18:53) Consequently, I punished them. (18:55) How terrible was my retribution. (19:02) So, they are just following the steps of their master, Satan. (19:09) 21. (19:09) The devil whispered to them in order to reveal their bodies, which were invisible to them. (19:16) He said, your Lord does not forbid you from this tree, except to prevent you from becoming angels and from attaining eternal existence. (19:23) So, what is the story of their bodies? (19:26) Where were their bodies? (19:28) They were down here on earth. (19:30) They were up in heaven and the bodies were here on earth. (19:34) And this is something that happened to me personally. (19:38) I'm passing on this information to all of us. (19:41) But apparently it happened often. (19:44) It happened when the Prophet Muhammad was taken to receive the Quran. (19:49) He was taken to a different place, which is even farther than paradise. (19:53) But he also visited paradise. (19:56) We see this in surah 53, 17, 18. (20:04) 17 where he saw the tree that Adam and Eve ate from. (20:18) It happened to Ihsan. (20:22) This definitely happened to you when you were fired from your work. (20:26) Do you know the story of Ihsan? Speaker 10 (20:28) No. Speaker 1 (20:29) She was working. (20:31) She was talking to Anne-Margaret in Sweden on the telephone. (20:36) And all of a sudden, people came in and they saw her incoherent. (20:45) So they took her to the hospital. (20:48) They called her children. (20:50) Both of them are doctors. (20:51) And of course, they think in terms of this world. (20:54) What was it, a stroke? (20:55) Is it a heart attack? (20:56) But she was like she's not here. (20:59) She was walking. (21:01) She walked with them and went to the hospital. (21:03) Meanwhile, what did she see? (21:05) She saw a gathering of a lot of people and a tall, huge figure that she understood to be Abraham. (21:17) And this is interesting because the only Prophet who identified to me was Abraham. (21:21) Also. (21:25) And when she came to, she was in the hospital actually. (21:29) Now take it from there. (21:29) What did you say? Speaker 3 (21:30) I think it was like a confirmation for what happened. (21:34) Because then when I talked, Behrouz also saw the same. Speaker 1 (21:48) But that's a... (21:53) We always have confirmation, Alhamdulillah. (21:55) This coming Friday, Behrouz will give the khutbah. (21:57) And he will tell us about confirmation of how the revelation comes. (22:03) That's another issue. (22:04) But when you came to the hospital, you opened your eyes and you were in the hospital. (22:09) Then what was the first question? Speaker 3 (22:11) No, I didn't call her on the phone. Speaker 1 (22:19) No, you didn't call her on the phone. (22:20) You gave the phone number to somebody and they called them. Speaker 3 (22:22) Yeah, but they don't ask them to put me on the phone. (22:25) I thought they couldn't have me write anything, sign anything. (22:30) They have no idea what I was. (22:31) I wasn't there at all. (22:32) My body was somewhere else. (22:41) All... (22:42) It seems like they are all... (22:48) But they were not prophets, you said. Speaker 1 (23:17) You said they were just people. (23:18) Many of them. Speaker 3 (23:20) Yeah. (23:20) A lot of people. (23:22) He was the one who did them. (23:24) I think now that maybe they are. Speaker 1 (23:27) There aren't that many messengers. Speaker 3 (23:30) They were like a threat. (23:33) The eventuals. Speaker 1 (23:55) What was the first question when you came to the hospital? (23:58) What do you mean? (23:58) I just want to say how the bodies on earth feel like. Speaker 3 (24:02) I said, what happened? (24:04) What do I do? (24:06) My husband said, he killed us. (24:08) I said, now you are killing me. (24:10) He scared us to death. (24:11) He said, we must leave. (24:12) We were all crying and I have nothing. (24:15) I was... (24:21) He said, there is one hospital there. Speaker 1 (24:25) Why am I in the hospital? Speaker 3 (24:26) I don't know. (24:29) Two things happened at the same time. Speaker 1 (24:36) So, you were talking to Anne Margaret on the telephone. (24:39) Next thing you know, you are in the hospital. (24:41) Yeah. (24:41) So, you told them, what is going on? (24:42) Why am I in the hospital? (24:43) What's happening? (24:44) What did they say? Speaker 3 (24:46) They said that I was... (24:49) That you called and they talked to me and they said... (24:53) And they took me and they took me to the hospital. (24:56) And they said, what happened? (24:57) What happened to you? (25:03) To my son? (25:04) And he said that I was not quite awake yet. (25:07) He said, I was... Speaker 1 (25:15) Did you get scared? Speaker 3 (25:16) Yeah. Speaker 1 (25:17) Did you get scared? Speaker 3 (25:18) I didn't know what was going on. (25:19) I had to call everybody. (25:22) And what else was on the phone? (25:36) We had three... (25:37) We were talking to three people. Speaker 1 (25:46) Okay. (25:47) That was an example of... (25:50) confirmation of having the body here and the soul somewhere else. (25:53) Wherever that is. Speaker 3 (25:55) So, when the... (25:56) It's a confirmation. (25:57) When the God asked the Satan to prostrate, he basically is prostrating because the body, not the soul, was not here. Speaker 1 (26:04) Right. (26:07) It's the idea of prostrating to the human being. (26:17) Well, the plan was clear to everybody. (26:19) Because from this, the information that God gave us, everybody knew what the plan was. (26:34) That all the rebels were put to death and they would be brought to this world and the angels would serve them and guard them. (26:42) And then, after the test is over, everybody would be either redeemed to God's kingdom or sent to hell. Speaker 3 (26:52) Satan was also part of the plan. (26:54) And then, as he said, God willed him to be like this, so he's really innocent. (27:01) He's what? (27:02) He's really innocent. (27:03) God willed him. Speaker 1 (27:04) Yes, he's trying to blame it on God. (27:07) But God gave him the freedom to choose. (27:11) Because everything ultimately is in accordance with God's will. (27:16) In other words, he's telling God, you could have made me obedient. (27:21) God doesn't want robots. (27:24) And it's not up to Satan to decide that. (27:28) And we know the law that God does not inflict an atom's worth of injustice. (27:41) God is revealing more and more of his information and we're understanding the social picture. (27:46) More and more. (27:46) But what... (27:48) In 20, the devil whispered to them in order to reveal their bodies, because their bodies were down on earth, and he wanted them to get out, get evicted from heaven and go down to their bodies, which actually happened. (28:03) The minute they broke God's law, they were sucked into their bodies down here on earth. (28:11) Also, at the beginning of the plan, since Adam and Eve didn't do anything wrong under the new circumstances, they deserved to be in heaven. (28:20) Until they committed disobedience. (28:24) In other words, they listened to Satan. (28:26) Therefore, they belonged in his kingdom, which was prepared down on earth. (28:31) As long as they listened to God, they were in heaven. (28:34) The minute they listened to Satan and ate from that tree, they went down to Satan's kingdom. Speaker 2 (28:49) That's a good point. Speaker 1 (28:58) That's a good point. (29:02) Let's see. (29:02) He swore to them, I'm giving you good advice, which is a lie. (29:08) He thus duped them with lies. (29:10) As soon as they tasted the tree, their bodies became visible to them. (29:14) And they tried to cover themselves with the leaves of paradise. (29:22) No, of course, there were gardens here on earth as well, but we have to... (29:29) No. (29:31) We have to look at this. (29:33) The expression in Arabic is al-jannah, which is the same expression where they were. (29:52) Maybe their bodies were up there in heaven, not down on earth. (30:00) No, but see the word, it's the same word that is used. (30:05) Yeah. (30:06) Al-jannah. (30:07) The jannah, the paradise. Speaker 3 (30:15) Also... (30:16) They were there because... Speaker 1 (30:19) Go down there from? (30:22) Just that... (30:24) The way I have it in the movie script that I wrote, God sent the angels to bring a couple hundred pounds of mud from the planet earth and took it up there. (30:38) And... (30:39) Who was asking about falling cross-legged before the body? (30:42) Mehdi? (30:45) So this has to be up there? Speaker 5 (30:47) Yes. (30:47) The body must not go down on the earth. Speaker 1 (30:52) This, Tahsan just said in Arabic, yeah. Speaker 3 (30:56) So... Speaker 8 (31:05) If the prostration happened in the heaven, then they can go down. Speaker 1 (31:11) Then we shouldn't put physical limitations on the body going up there or coming down here. (31:16) If God wants to move the bodies from the earth to heaven, he'll do that. (31:23) So we have to just keep this, reconsider this, the position of the bodies. (31:29) Whether they are down here on earth or up there in heaven. (31:32) But this is a good point to ask. (31:35) Covering their bodies will lead to paradise. Speaker 7 (31:39) Will the Arabic word for body have it? Speaker 1 (31:44) No, it's very specific here. (31:46) This word is used in a few places. (31:48) Like when Adam's son, one killed the other one, they said bury the body. (31:53) It's the same word. Speaker 5 (31:54) They mispronounce it. (31:59) What did they say? Speaker 1 (32:16) Oh. (32:23) Okay, in 24 it says go down as enemies of one another. (32:26) It says go down. (32:28) So, obviously this is after they saw their bodies. (32:37) So this is shaping up as having the bodies up there. (32:42) So maybe a more descriptive is correct. Speaker 2 (32:56) Do you add a word for this? (32:59) Well? Speaker 1 (33:02) No, Iskall. (33:04) Iskall. (33:04) The word Iskall. (33:06) Dwell. (33:07) Live there. Speaker 2 (33:08) It's for a soul. (33:11) The body is more. (33:16) You can dwell the body. Speaker 1 (33:17) No, but the body was invisible to them. (33:21) The body is invisible means they are in different dimensions. (33:24) It's like we don't see the angels or the jinns now. (33:27) Who are right here with us. (33:29) But they are in different dimensions. Speaker 2 (33:30) I don't think you know. (33:31) When God created Adam. (33:32) He created him from dust. (33:35) Water. (33:36) When he saw what happened to Adam. (33:41) From the mind. (33:42) You know it's the body. (33:47) I hear you. (33:48) Somebody out there. Speaker 1 (33:54) Yeah, no. (33:55) Now, I'm looking at this. (33:57) That they cover themselves with leaves of paradise. (33:59) It's very significant. (34:01) And then followed by go down as enemies. (34:04) So go down after seeing their bodies. (34:06) It means their bodies were up there. Speaker 8 (34:08) Isn't it like when we go to this place. (34:12) We don't feel our weight. (34:13) But we have the weight. Speaker 1 (34:15) No, but see the body has to be protected somehow. (34:17) And of course God will do that. Speaker 8 (34:20) I mean they had the body. (34:22) But they didn't know that. (34:24) I mean they couldn't see that. Speaker 1 (34:25) They couldn't see them, yeah. (34:26) The bodies were invisible to them. (34:28) This is. Speaker 7 (34:28) Also when you were taken up. (34:31) And you saw the other prophets. Speaker 1 (34:37) Yes, they look like the way they look here on earth. Speaker 5 (34:40) For sure. (34:51) No, because. Speaker 2 (35:16) Yes, that's what they're thinking, yes. (35:19) No. Speaker 1 (35:25) No, because when you go back. (35:27) Let's see. (35:31) He didn't say. (35:33) Mawuria means. (35:36) The body was invisible. (35:38) The whole body was invisible. (35:40) Because if you look. (35:42) If you look at. (35:43) What's the verse number here? (35:47) Twenty seven. (35:48) Twenty two, excuse me. (35:49) What is that? (35:50) Twenty two. (35:52) It says their bodies became visible to them. (35:57) But Mawuria. (35:59) Mawuria does not. (36:01) Does not imply a part of the body. (36:06) Right. Speaker 5 (36:07) So. Speaker 1 (36:08) But their bodies. (36:10) Their whole bodies were invisible to them. (36:11) They were in a different dimension. (36:12) And we're talking about souls. (36:15) Until they ate from the tree. (36:17) Or until they broke God's law. (36:18) Then their bodies became visible to them. (36:21) They moved to. (36:22) Another dimension. (36:24) In this dimension. (36:27) They can see us. (36:28) We cannot see them. Speaker 10 (36:34) Who is that? Speaker 1 (36:36) Angels. (36:37) Demons. (36:38) God. (36:42) It's in the other dimension. (36:45) But it's interesting that they could not see their bodies. Speaker 2 (36:55) Their bodies were far from them. (37:06) Ecstasy. (37:08) They didn't care about it. (37:11) Just like that. (37:12) You know here. Speaker 1 (37:12) In this. (37:13) In this dimension. (37:14) If we have out of body experiences. (37:16) We see the body. (37:26) Hidden from us. (37:28) The word is hidden. (37:48) They knew that Satan lied to them. (37:51) That's for sure. Speaker 3 (37:51) Yeah. (37:52) One day. Speaker 1 (37:59) I would leave the location of the bodies hanging. (38:05) Until God. (38:07) Maybe God will want us to know exactly where the bodies were. (38:10) But. (38:10) It seems like they were up there. (38:13) But maybe in a different location up there. Speaker 8 (38:15) If it wasn't there. (38:17) We wouldn't have the invisible. (38:20) When it says invisible. (38:21) It should be there. (38:23) It's like. (38:23) I have. (38:25) I have a hat. (38:26) When I wear my hat. (38:27) I'm invisible. (38:28) When I'm invisible. (38:29) It doesn't mean. (38:30) I'm not here. (38:31) I am here. (38:32) But I am invisible. Speaker 1 (38:33) Well. (38:33) It could be anywhere. (38:34) But. (38:35) The fact that. (38:35) They cover themselves. (38:36) Leave all paradise. (38:38) And after that. (38:38) God is telling them at 24. (38:40) Go down. (38:43) This means. (38:44) It happened. (38:44) It all happened upstairs. (38:47) Alhamdulillah. (38:50) Yeah. Speaker 2 (38:56) And water. (39:00) Adam. (39:01) So. (39:01) You don't have a soul. Speaker 1 (39:06) Because you created him from mud. (39:08) Like I said. (39:08) The God's plan was. (39:10) Already. (39:11) Known. (39:12) So. (39:12) God said. (39:12) I will give him bodies made of clay. (39:14) I will give you bodies made of fire. Speaker 2 (39:19) So. (39:19) They knew that difference. (39:23) Yeah. Speaker 1 (39:29) Well. (39:29) Before that. (39:30) We were all pieces of God. (39:31) And I'm sure we were. (39:32) Of different. (39:34) Ranks. (39:35) Or. (39:36) Jobs. (39:36) Put it this way. (39:38) Responsibilities. (39:40) Different degrees of. Speaker 9 (39:41) The one creating. (39:43) Something very new. (39:44) Yeah. (39:45) Make it very new. Speaker 1 (39:51) That created the heavens and the earth. (39:53) The whole earth was new. (39:54) Came from nothing. (39:55) And so did the human bodies. (39:58) Even the souls were created. (40:01) Allah. (40:02) The creator of all things. Speaker 9 (40:07) Before. Speaker 1 (40:20) No. (40:22) Say it again. Speaker 3 (40:23) Say the question again. (40:23) Souls were there. (40:24) Souls of Adam. (40:27) Oh. Speaker 1 (40:28) Yeah. (40:28) Definitely. (40:29) Yeah. (40:30) Because God gathered all. (40:32) All of us. (40:32) And had us witness. (40:33) Him as. (40:34) Our lord and master. Speaker 9 (40:38) And then he prayed for these souls. (40:39) And all. Speaker 1 (40:42) God assigned. (40:43) Let's. (40:43) Let's think of a human being. (40:44) Being born. (40:45) Right now. (40:46) God takes one of the souls. (40:47) That have been put to death. (40:49) And assigns it to that body. (40:53) So. (40:53) The process is happening now. (40:56) It happened then. (40:57) Except. (40:58) Adam and Eve. (40:58) Had to be. (40:59) Adam had to be created. (41:01) Initially. (41:02) And then after that. (41:03) Is the human reproduction. (41:05) And every baby. (41:05) That is born. (41:06) Gets a soul assigned. (41:08) To him or her. (41:12) Obviously. (41:13) God wanted this. (41:14) Story. (41:15) The details. (41:16) To be revealed. (41:17) Over a long period of time. (41:19) Every. (41:19) Every piece of it. (41:20) Is timed. (41:22) And. (41:23) Usually. (41:24) God puts. (41:25) The. (41:26) Details. (41:26) In such a way. (41:27) That. (41:28) It will give. (41:28) To every generation. (41:29) A satisfactory. (41:30) Explanation. Speaker 3 (41:32) It continues. (41:32) In chapter 27. (41:37) God also. (41:38) Something to do. Speaker 1 (41:39) All children of Adam. (41:40) Do not let the devil entice you. (41:42) As he did. (41:42) When he. (41:43) Evicted. (41:44) Your parents. (41:45) From paradise. (41:46) He removed their garments. (41:47) To expose their bodies. (41:49) He and his tribe. (41:51) See you. (41:51) While you do not see them. (41:53) We appoint the devil. (41:54) As companions. (41:54) For those. (41:55) Who do not believe. (41:57) What do you understand. (41:58) Cecilia. (42:09) Well. (42:10) The garment. (42:10) Of righteousness. (42:11) Remember. Speaker 3 (42:13) And. (42:14) So. (42:15) The garment. (42:15) Of righteousness. (42:19) Became exposed. (42:20) They were able. (42:21) To see. (42:26) And. Speaker 1 (42:30) They were able. Speaker 3 (42:53) To see. (43:17) And. (43:32) They were able. (43:34) And. (43:35) They were able. (43:35) And. (43:36) They were able. (43:37) To see. (43:37) They were able. (43:38) That was a good thing. (43:43) That's a good thing. (43:44) That was. (43:45) Exposed. (43:46) Our bodies. (43:47) To be something that. (43:49) Makes power to us. (43:51) Other than that. (43:52) The punishment. (43:54) Appears without. (44:00) Exposed. Speaker 1 (44:02) Well. (44:03) I think. (44:04) Let's. (44:04) It's just. (44:05) For the. (44:06) It will be. (44:06) I think. (44:07) Sufficient. (44:08) For us. (44:08) This is. (44:09) Maybe this is. (44:09) What God wants. (44:10) Us to know. (44:10) At this time. (44:11) Is that. (44:12) They were out of their bodies. (44:14) Their bodies weren't visible to them. (44:16) They were in heaven. (44:17) Everything was perfect. (44:19) The minute they broke God's law, they were back into their bodies. (44:22) Then their bodies became visible, just like we are now. (44:28) But before this happened, until they broke God's law, they were free. (44:32) They were in heaven. (44:34) Because the body is not anything, really. (44:37) So, like when the righteous go to heaven, what happens? (44:40) They leave their bodies and they go to heaven. (44:43) And heaven is fantastic. (44:45) They're having a lot of fun. (44:48) So this is the way Adam and Eve were. (44:50) When they broke God's law, they were trapped into their bodies. (44:57) And then their bodies became visible to them. (44:59) Now, what we were not sure about was, where exactly were their bodies that were not visible to them, that didn't pay attention to them. (45:20) No, no, no. (45:21) No possibility of that, because people go to heaven now. (45:26) So where do they go? (45:31) No, it was Al-Jannah. (45:33) It was one Jannah that Adam and Eve went to. (45:41) There's no Jannah on earth, I can tell you that. Speaker 5 (45:45) There's one, another question. Speaker 1 (46:20) It's 143 in this 10th surah. (46:26) They all said, yes, we bear witness, but you cannot say on the Day of Resurrection we were not aware of this. (46:32) When did this happen? (46:38) At Yadid. (46:39) At Yadid. (46:40) When did this happen? (46:42) 172. (46:56) No, it couldn't be. (47:00) See, at the creation of the body of Adam, the clay body of Adam, all the humans were dead. (47:07) It's already put to death as we see in surah 67. (47:11) Okay, we have to put the pieces together now. (47:14) Let's look at 67. (47:19) Page 562, verse 2. (47:32) The one who created death and life for the purpose of distinguishing those among you who would do better. (47:40) So God created death. (47:43) Now, the way I see it now, understand it now, is when we rebelled against God, God put us all to death. (47:56) The first death, remember? (47:58) Two deaths for the unrighteous, one death for the righteous. (48:01) We were all put to death with the stipulation that we will be brought into this life at the specified time and given the chance to redeem ourselves. (48:11) So when you go back here to 172, God says He summoned all the human race before Him. (48:18) Obviously they were not dead yet. (48:22) And He told them, Am I not your Lord? (48:24) And we all bear witness that He is our Lord. (48:27) So these are some of the things that happened before the creation of Adam's body. (48:37) And Adam was included in this 172. (48:40) He was just one of the human beings. (48:42) So after this was done, and the natural instinct of worshipping God alone was put in us, we were all put to death. (48:49) And then the plan, the execution of the plan started. (48:53) God created the body of Adam from clay, told the angels, hold fast faith before this body, we're going to serve. (48:59) And then God assigned one of the humans, who happens to be Adam, to this body. (49:05) Then Eve was assigned to the clone, God cloned a body from Adam's body and assigned the second human being, Eve, to that body. (49:16) And then told them, you know the rest of the story. Speaker 5 (49:25) No, I said create the body. Speaker 1 (49:34) Right. Speaker 5 (49:35) Just create. Speaker 1 (49:36) Right. Speaker 5 (49:36) Creation of Adam starts from this? Speaker 1 (49:40) No, remember the creation of Adam's body. (49:41) Create the body of Adam. (49:43) But before the creation of the body of Adam, Adam existed. (49:50) No, the creation of body. (49:52) Creation of Adam's body. (49:54) Yes. (49:55) Creation of Adam's body. (49:57) And I'm very careful with this. (49:58) Because before the creation of Adam's body, Adam existed. (50:02) If you want to go back to the very beginning, God created Adam and you and me and every other creature initially. (50:08) And we were all wonderful in God's kingdom until the great feud happened. (50:17) Let's have it. Speaker 5 (50:30) Right. Speaker 1 (50:31) There you go. Speaker 5 (50:32) There you go. Speaker 1 (50:35) So when we put all these pieces together, it's obvious that God created all the creatures. (50:41) They were all in his kingdom. (50:42) Everything was going nicely until the feud happened. (50:46) The feud happened when Satan had these ideas and then the creatures had different opinions. (50:52) The vast majority of holding God's absolute authority. (50:57) A small minority agreeing with Satan. (51:00) And then this small minority was given another chance to submit. (51:05) The animals and the stars and the trees submitted. (51:08) But the human continued to defy God and agree with Satan. (51:18) And then the creation of the execution of the plan, which we're all familiar with now. (51:26) I think the location of the bodies obviously is not relevant. (51:35) The point is they were invisible to them. (51:38) Until they broke God's law, then they were sucked into their bodies and sent down here to earth to start the test. Speaker 3 (52:09) What is the first thing we do when we come to this world? Speaker 10 (52:40) Right. Speaker 1 (52:42) The soul is assigned to the body and the first thing we do, oh no. (52:47) And on top of that you get a spank. (52:53) Everywhere they cry. Speaker 2 (53:00) It doesn't matter. (53:13) What happened? (53:18) I was having fun. (53:21) This little garbage dump here. (53:23) And once we talked about the body. Speaker 1 (53:30) That's why I asked you, what was the first thing you asked when you came back? (53:35) What is happening? (53:36) Why am I here? (53:37) What are you here? (53:38) What are you doing here? (53:39) What happened? Speaker 3 (53:41) Is there anything with my body? Speaker 1 (53:56) Did you tell her to turn the lights on? Speaker 2 (54:18) Right. Speaker 1 (54:20) Wait a minute. Speaker 2 (54:21) Slow down. Speaker 1 (54:21) Slow down. (54:22) This is wonderful. (54:23) I forget that Atif has all these experiences. (54:26) He's talking about somebody who has an out-of-body experience. (54:29) And they were operating on the person? (54:33) Okay. Speaker 2 (54:34) Go ahead. (54:58) And he was watching? (54:59) I was. (54:59) And they were rolling on the floor. (55:12) And they were falling on their heads. (55:46) And I grabbed his body. (55:47) And he was like, why? (55:47) And I was like, I'm not going to do it. (55:50) And I got to the back. (55:52) And I was outside. (55:53) And he got to the back of the bus. (55:59) And his mother said, oh, we're supposed to go to your son. (56:07) And we were supposed to go to his house. (56:08) And he was like, what are you doing in the school? (56:31) And I was there. (56:32) I was looking at him. (56:34) And so I said, see, you know, the funny thing was, I didn't care about what they were doing with his body. (56:39) He's sticking needles in his hands. (56:40) He's beating him up. (56:41) He's having fun. Speaker 1 (56:55) Besides, he had never seen his body before that. Speaker 2 (56:58) He has his other things. (56:59) He's a shark. Speaker 3 (57:12) There's no pain. Speaker 1 (57:14) There's no pain. (57:17) Actually, this tells us exactly what Jesus felt when they crucified him. (57:22) Because Jesus was God. (57:24) I mean, look how God is teaching us. (57:27) Real life experiences. (57:29) This is a physical scientist, a surgeon. (57:32) He's not spiritual. (57:34) He's also very spiritual. Speaker 10 (57:37) I don't mean it that way. Speaker 1 (57:39) But I mean, he's a scientist. (57:40) He's very critical. (57:42) God is teaching us. (57:44) There's a book, of course, that puts all these stories in one book about the out-of-body experiences. (57:49) Some of you may have seen the book. (57:51) There are many people who doctors are operating on. (57:54) And they say exactly the same thing. (57:56) They watch the doctors operating their bodies, and then they decide to go back. (58:01) Of course, that's not death. (58:02) I mean, obviously, this fellow was destined to live beyond that point. (58:08) But God is teaching us, telling us exactly what the deal is. (58:11) And this is what we're reading here. (58:13) Adam and Eve were out of their bodies. (58:15) They're having fun in paradise. (58:16) When they disobeyed God's law, they came to this body, which tells us, this is how you go to Satan's kingdom. (58:23) Since you listened to Satan, you didn't listen to God, you belong in Satan's kingdom. (58:27) So goodbye. (58:28) Which we see in 26 and 24. (58:34) He said, Go down as enemies of one another. (58:36) On earth shall be your habitation and provision for a while. (58:41) Which is undergoing, okay? (58:44) I think we have a very clear picture with a few little details that God hasn't even let us know yet. (58:53) And they're not relevant to our generation anyway. (58:56) I have a few questions. (58:58) Yeah, go ahead. (58:58) You've been very quiet. Speaker 2 (58:59) At the time of the fuse, all the rebels were put to death? Speaker 1 (59:11) Not at the time of the fuse. (59:12) There's certain things that happened after that, including this bearing witness that God is our Lord and Master and putting certain things to death. (59:21) And you notice, and go look carefully again at 172, this same surah. (59:35) It says, Recall that your Lord summoned all the descendants of Adam. (59:39) So God had only the human race bear witness of his Lord and Master, but not the jinn. (59:46) Your companion represents Satan's point of view. (59:50) Your companion will never tell you to do the noon prayer or to worship God alone. (59:54) Your companion will do the exact opposite. (59:58) But God gave us the nice instinct of knowing about God, knowing that he alone is our Lord and Master. (1:00:05) The jinn were the half of the creatures who were closest to Satan's point of view. (1:00:11) And they're being assigned to us. Speaker 3 (1:00:13) When was it assigned to us? Speaker 1 (1:00:17) You mean as a rebel? Speaker 3 (1:00:18) As a rebel. Speaker 1 (1:00:19) This is in 3869. (1:00:25) This is the very beginning. (1:00:26) This triggered the whole thing. (1:00:28) 3869 is in Proverbs 4.5.7. It says, I did not possess any knowledge about the feud in the high society. (1:00:42) And you notice after this, again we're told the story of Satan eating from the tree. (1:00:50) So you can see the connection. (1:00:51) Do you see the connection? (1:00:52) Let's read it. (1:00:53) Starting at 67. (1:00:55) Say, here is awesome news that you are totally oblivious to. (1:01:00) I did not possess any knowledge about the feud in the high society, which is called naba'un azeem in Arabic. (1:01:08) It's an awesome, it's a crucial incident in the history of the universe. (1:01:16) 69, I did not possess any knowledge about the feud in the high society. (1:01:19) I'm inspired that my sole mission is to deliver the warnings to you. (1:01:23) Your Lord said to the angels, I'm creating a human being from clay. (1:01:26) Once I perfect him and blow into him from my spirit, you shall fall prostrate before him. (1:01:32) The angels fell prostrate, all of them, only Satan refused. (1:01:35) He was too arrogant, unappreciative. (1:01:38) God said, O Satan, what prevented you from prostrating before the one I created with my hand? (1:01:45) Were you too arrogant? (1:01:46) Have you rebelled? (1:01:47) He said, I am better than he. (1:01:48) So this is the same thing we read, except we see it connected with the great feud. (1:01:54) And you see the great feud ahead of this. (1:01:57) It's the great feud that triggered this whole business. (1:02:00) Now before the great feud, what was happening? (1:02:02) Adam and Eve and you and I were in existence, the angels and the jinns, everybody. (1:02:06) And there was no feud, everything was wonderful. (1:02:10) Then the feud happened, with the rebellion. (1:02:16) Al-malak al-a'la id yakhtasimoon. (1:02:17) The high society is feuding. (1:02:21) You can pick up in Farsi some of this. (1:02:23) Al-malak al-a'la is the high society. (1:02:26) Yakhtasimoon is the high society. (1:02:29) So alhamdulillah. (1:02:31) This is what triggered the whole thing, is this rebellion. (1:02:35) So what does God do with the rebels? (1:02:39) The angels suggested, put them in hell. (1:02:42) The angels said, put them all in hell. (1:02:45) God said, I know what you do not know. (1:02:47) I'm going to give them another chance. (1:02:53) So the plan calls for putting all of them to death, bringing them in this earth, having no recollection at all of what happened in the past. (1:03:06) It's a fresh start. (1:03:08) It's a whole new chance. (1:03:13) And we are giving God's message and Satan's message. (1:03:17) We're making a choice. (1:03:18) As you see, the vast majority of humans are still sticking to their old rebellion. (1:03:24) Why are the people hostile to this? (1:03:29) They're not even indifferent. (1:03:30) They're hostile to this. (1:03:32) You should talk to some of the people that call us on the telephone. (1:03:35) I mean, why? (1:03:38) They cuss me and my mother. (1:03:39) Why? (1:03:39) I mean, they never saw my mother. (1:03:43) They never saw me. (1:03:45) And I tell them, what did I do to you? (1:03:48) And Ihsan, I put him on the telephone, put us through this the last time. (1:03:52) And she said, we are saying la ilaha illallah, why are you so upset? (1:03:56) And she said, don't you have any neighbors who are saying Jesus is God or son of God? (1:03:59) Why don't you go bother them? (1:04:00) Why are you bothering us? (1:04:03) We are saying la ilaha illallah, so just fine, go say what you want and we'll say what we want. (1:04:08) Why are you so upset? (1:04:10) What else did he say? (1:04:18) Oh yes, that was wonderful. (1:04:45) Yeah, that was a very good point. (1:04:47) He told them, when was the last time, he said, God said, do not make any distinction among the messengers. (1:04:51) When was the last time, he said, la ilaha illallah salih rasoolallah. (1:04:55) He said, just because I don't say salih rasoolallah does not mean I don't recognize salih as rasoolallah. (1:04:59) She said, exactly, just because you don't say Mohammed rasoolallah does not mean we don't acknowledge Mohammed as rasoolallah. Speaker 4 (1:05:06) And I, in my dream, I was teaching him something that God wants to teach me something. (1:05:27) Because in my dream, when I wake up, I say, oh, I have never idea of this. (1:05:32) And I ask him, okay, when you say, la ilaha illallah Mohammed rasoolallah, okay, tell me what does it mean as shahada. (1:05:40) And he told me, okay, everything that you see is shahada. (1:05:46) Every time that you use the shahada, even in the court or something, you have to see something. (1:05:52) And the surah 7, 172, we witnessed God. (1:05:56) We saw that God, that's why we can say, ash hadu allah la ilaha illallah. (1:06:00) But have you ever seen Mohammed in your eyes? Speaker 1 (1:06:04) Mashallah. (1:06:04) Mashallah. (1:06:05) This is fantastic. (1:06:06) Ash hadu is witnessing. Speaker 4 (1:06:08) But if you have evidence, I am witness that this happened. (1:06:34) You can say, I have evidence, that evidence, witness that he, you cannot say, I am witness. Speaker 1 (1:06:43) Mashallah. (1:06:43) This is beautiful. (1:06:45) This is a breakthrough. (1:06:46) When you say, ash hadu allah la ilaha illallah, I bear witness, or I bore witness, I am an eyewitness to the fact that there is no God except God. (1:06:55) And we have it in 7, 172 here. (1:06:56) Because God said, I gathered all the humans and they all bore witness that I am their Lord and Master. (1:07:02) Have you bore witness that Mohammed was rasoolallah? Speaker 7 (1:07:05) Mashallah. Speaker 1 (1:07:06) In a dream, I did. Speaker 7 (1:07:07) When in that surah, that's why God calls them liars. Speaker 1 (1:07:12) Yes, yes, exactly. (1:07:15) Ash hadu allah la ilaha illallah, we bear witness that you have got the message. Speaker 4 (1:07:20) And tell somebody, you can say that we have evidence that he is the war officer. Speaker 1 (1:07:35) Yes, because we were eyewitnesses that God is la ilaha illallah, the only God. (1:07:42) We were never eyewitnesses to the fact that Mohammed was rasoolallah. (1:07:44) Now that they say this, they are lying. (1:07:47) Yes, exactly. (1:07:48) Because they did not bear witness that Mohammed was rasoolallah. Speaker 3 (1:07:52) Did you catch that? (1:07:54) Beautiful. (1:07:54) I know, I am thinking on this. Speaker 5 (1:07:57) Just accept, careful. (1:08:03) How can a person be eyewitness from the evidence? (1:08:08) Right. (1:08:09) How? (1:08:11) I am going to say that. (1:08:13) I am criticizing the subject and during the time of Prophet Mohammed, when he is alive also, how can he be eyewitness, if you don't see that he received proof, clue? Speaker 1 (1:08:32) Even at the time of the Prophet Mohammed, it is not as I brought up. (1:08:36) Even at the time of the Prophet Mohammed, they cannot witness the fact that he is rasoolallah. (1:08:40) Just he is saying he is rasoolallah. (1:08:42) And then you think about it, examine the evidence, whatever, and make a decision. (1:08:47) But you don't witness the revelation coming down, or Gabriel coming down, this is nothing to witness. (1:08:54) Therefore, the only thing is the shahada, la ilaha illallah. (1:08:59) She is sitting there, you have been here almost 24 hours, you didn't tell us about this. Speaker 3 (1:09:04) But in another verse, it says... Speaker 1 (1:09:07) I wanted to tell you about the... (1:09:31) About the man I talked to in Canada, for example, I did bear witness that he was an Israeli. (1:09:37) I bear witness that I gave him the message and he did hope it. (1:09:41) You will bear witness that you talked to the guy with the beard here for 3 hours telling him, God alone, Quran alone, and this is what... (1:09:53) We will be called to bear witness on those people. (1:09:58) That we gave them the message of God alone and they refused it. Speaker 5 (1:10:01) Shehzad, that means at the same time to... Speaker 1 (1:10:09) Bear witness, it's almost like in court. (1:10:14) You say, yes, I gave him 100 dollars. (1:10:16) Alright, so this person gave this person 100, bearing witness. (1:10:23) Obviously, there will be disputes about their judgment, but perhaps they will deny idol worship, even though they were idol worshippers. (1:10:32) So, there will be witnesses. Speaker 2 (1:10:43) So, everything will be very clear. (1:10:49) They lied to themselves. Speaker 1 (1:10:52) Wonderful, wonderful, I think we'll stop right here and just continue the discussion with questions. (1:10:56) These are very heavy verses. (1:11:06) Also, God says, Adam is the master plate, you know. (1:11:27) First thing, they make a master plate, they make copies from it. (1:11:41) But Eve was through cloning, you can take a look. (1:11:51) Cloning now is theoretically possible. (1:11:55) In fact, they do have cloning from other people. (1:11:59) I did some cloning myself, by the way. (1:12:02) From Kurds. (1:12:04) I published it in Nature. (1:12:07) I forget that I was a scientist one day. (1:12:11) That's a magazine, a very respected magazine. (1:12:16) Unless they go through a lot of quality screening. (1:12:20) And I have cloned some Kurds. (1:12:23) In a physical subsistence. (1:12:29) Marik is not the only scientist around. (1:12:37) No, no, that's another one. (1:12:38) That's a hormone, a growth hormone. (1:12:42) They put it in a gel block on one side, cause this side to grow faster than this side, so it's curved. (1:12:49) All of them curved. (1:12:49) The one that was not created continues to be created. Speaker 2 (1:12:58) All different kinds. Speaker 1 (1:13:09) The body is... Speaker 2 (1:13:14) Are you talking about the soul? (1:13:15) The soul is gone. (1:13:25) What's life? (1:13:27) What's the life? (1:13:28) Okay, I think what... Speaker 1 (1:13:29) Okay, I think what you're talking about is the entities of the human person. (1:13:34) The components of the human person. (1:13:36) And they always eliminate this part. (1:13:39) But if you want to really be more specific, the human is a body, a spirit, and a soul. (1:13:45) The body is this. (1:13:48) But it's without life. (1:13:50) The spirit makes the heart pump and the lungs breathe. (1:13:53) And the soul is the person. Speaker 2 (1:13:55) Okay, I just want to focus here. (1:13:57) I just remember the guy who was sitting there with his body. (1:14:00) So he was riding his ass with his body, but his body is still alive. (1:14:02) But his soul was free. (1:14:03) And he was being played with it. (1:14:04) His heart was being squeezed and everything. (1:14:07) The spirit is part of the physical being. (1:14:09) Okay, so his organ was living, but it was really sore. (1:14:13) You're right, so there has to be a treatment. (1:14:14) Right. (1:14:15) There's no activity. (1:14:19) There's nothing in it. (1:14:20) Then a body with activity in it, and then a body with a treatment. (1:14:24) Look at Jesus. Speaker 1 (1:14:25) Just look what happened to Jesus. (1:14:27) Jesus is the person left. (1:14:30) And he left the spirit in the body. (1:14:32) They put the body, and the spirit is part of the physical being. (1:14:35) Then the body leaves. (1:14:38) Then mechanically, there's no blood to pump. (1:14:41) So the spirit leaves, and the body is left. (1:14:43) So the spirit leaves the body. (1:14:46) The soul, right. (1:14:48) The person leaves. (1:14:50) Yes, the soul leaves. (1:14:51) Then the spirit is... (1:14:53) You have two entities, the spirit and the body. (1:14:55) Then the body dies. (1:14:57) Then the spirit leaves. (1:14:58) The spirit is a separate entity? (1:15:01) The spirit is... Speaker 2 (1:15:03) You can think of it as the work of God. (1:15:06) That's the thing, because you can think of it as a sin. (1:15:08) Somebody dies. (1:15:09) Somebody dies, so he keeps his body. (1:15:11) Keeps the body for 20 years. (1:15:14) Keeps the heart for 10. (1:15:16) Keeps the heart for life. Speaker 7 (1:15:18) But why separate the spirit and the body? Speaker 1 (1:15:23) There are two components of the physical being. (1:15:26) But they're two separate components. Speaker 7 (1:15:28) But when God says that I blew into him from my spirit... Speaker 1 (1:15:33) That the spirit is caused by... Speaker 2 (1:15:35) That any causes our body to function. (1:15:37) Right. (1:15:39) That's amazing, because now you can think of anything as a physical growth. (1:15:42) You can take a piece of skin, grow it on your own self, make people put it back in your body, people who burn and stuff like that. (1:15:50) Physical causes. Speaker 7 (1:15:51) So the spirit is just like the body, that it has... (1:15:55) I mean, like the soul, obviously... Speaker 2 (1:15:58) It's the person. (1:15:59) It's the person, and it's right and wrong and all that. (1:16:01) This is actually the way the thinking works. (1:16:05) Oh yeah, it's connected with the soul. (1:16:07) Yeah, because the body is completely... (1:16:09) The heart of somebody who's gone, who's really dead and still functioning, there's no connection, there's no logic. Speaker 3 (1:16:32) My head. (1:16:34) My whole body is going to that head. (1:16:46) It's in there. (1:16:47) It's in you. (1:16:48) So actually, when you say my and my body, my this, my that, actually we are added. (1:16:57) I'm separate. Speaker 2 (1:16:57) The person is done. (1:17:00) The hand that belongs to me. (1:17:03) You've got a good point. (1:17:05) I remember a few of you being accidentally paralyzed from the knee down. (1:17:09) She was talking about this. (1:17:10) And the whole body is sitting there, giving sores and troubles, and the guy thinks, I know everything. (1:17:15) You go to college, you graduate, you have PhDs. (1:17:19) She was talking about this. (1:17:21) Also, a year ago, there was a guy from some kind of university in Europe, he's completely paralyzed. (1:17:26) He's one of the geniuses in mathematics. (1:17:28) He's absolutely against God. (1:17:30) He just sees it this way. (1:17:31) And he's sitting there. (1:17:34) The guy, he talks through special aids. (1:17:37) He's being put in the reach. (1:17:38) He can move nothing. (1:17:40) And he's there. (1:17:41) He's so angry because his whole body is down there. (1:17:43) And I think he just realized, that's not him. (1:17:48) You can be up to here, but still you have your soul. (1:17:51) Is it even possible? (1:17:54) Yes. (1:17:55) How can this be? (1:17:58) The computer talks for him. Speaker 1 (1:18:00) Exactly. (1:18:01) And he goes all over the world, talking about his experience. (1:18:06) Yesterday, what he said was, if the rate of expansion of the universe was one millionth of the speed, faster, we would have nothing. (1:18:20) That would be just space now. (1:18:22) And if it was one millionth of the speed, slower, we would be compact and life cannot exist. (1:18:32) We would not be here. (1:18:34) He says the rate of expansion of the universe is precise, so precise. (1:18:38) But he doesn't recognize God. (1:18:40) He doesn't know God. Speaker 3 (1:18:41) And he's sitting there. Speaker 1 (1:18:44) He's just a little asshole hanging out here. Speaker 2 (1:18:46) You know? (1:18:47) He really is a genius. (1:18:49) Yeah, it's funny. (1:18:51) He's just sticking his little piece of head and everything is lost. (1:18:55) I think it shows how much blissing you get because he's a guy with the biggest brain maybe in the whole world and he's absolutely prevented from living there. Speaker 3 (1:19:06) Just recently, San Francisco, who... Speaker 1 (1:19:27) I wouldn't do it, mainly because of the humiliation the body goes through. (1:19:34) But I've seen it. Speaker 3 (1:19:36) It doesn't make any difference. Speaker 1 (1:19:37) I want my body cremated and flushed down the toilet. Speaker 3 (1:19:40) I don't want it. Speaker 1 (1:19:41) I don't want them fooling around with it. (1:19:43) They hang them like a cow from a ceiling and really mislead. (1:19:48) We don't do that. (1:19:50) Yes, they do that. (1:19:52) Okay, that's what they do. (1:19:54) Okay, listen to what they do. (1:19:57) They want to take the eye out. Speaker 7 (1:20:00) Before you get into that, there was a scandal in England that over-enthusiastic doctors would kill a person. (1:20:10) When you say in your driver's license, I'm going to tell you. (1:20:14) You are not already dead. (1:20:17) They need a heart somewhere. (1:20:23) This happened in England. Speaker 2 (1:20:30) Very sick patients. (1:20:32) We were so bad about it. (1:20:42) There was so much burden on me. (1:20:59) I remember this guy was so bad, almost like a legend. (1:21:13) He signed so fast. (1:21:15) I was so suspicious. (1:21:16) I was hoping he would finish him. (1:21:20) He was giving me so much information. (1:21:24) I got shocked. (1:21:26) My God, this one was a genius. (1:21:29) I didn't want him to get over this and recover. (1:21:33) He hated him. (1:21:34) He had so much money. (1:21:35) He was going to get out of here. Speaker 1 (1:21:41) Finish him. (1:21:43) What do you want me to sign? (1:21:46) Can you do it? Speaker 2 (1:22:02) Keep your breathing. (1:22:11) Of course, it's very difficult to define the moment of death. (1:22:19) Nobody knows exactly when that moment of death is. (1:22:22) Who defines death? (1:22:23) Who says this guy is dead or not? (1:22:25) I think the final thing is that the brain is a brain characteristic way. (1:22:34) If he lost his way, his brain would appear to be dead. (1:22:39) We always know here that if the brain is dead, your body is actually dead. (1:22:54) It's amazing when people have brains dead. (1:22:56) Your body is in excellent shape. (1:22:58) If we ever get to the point where we can transplant the brain, this is the moment when you get somebody back. (1:23:04) It should never happen. (1:23:05) The brain is so complicated. (1:23:08) Most probably, the brain is the soul. (1:23:09) If you get somebody's brain transplanted, you actually need to transplant the soul. (1:23:19) No, no. Speaker 1 (1:23:36) The brain is just the physical tool. (1:23:43) It's like you and the computer. (1:23:47) You don't run the computer. Speaker 2 (1:23:50) If you don't look at the computer, you don't think there was a death. Speaker 1 (1:23:57) The brain is nothing but electrons moving around. (1:24:00) Just like the computer, exactly. (1:24:02) The computer is clumsy. (1:24:03) It's a clumsy representation of the brain. Speaker 2 (1:24:18) Because they affect the function of the brain. (1:24:21) The real person, you, is the soul. (1:24:42) And you are just using this organ for your soul. (1:24:47) Including the brain. Speaker 1 (1:24:49) I thank God for my after-body experience. (1:24:51) When I look at my body down there, it's just like a piece of rock. Speaker 3 (1:25:10) This is a maestro recording. Speaker 9 (1:25:13) Maestro. (1:25:14) Orchestrator. Speaker 3 (1:25:16) Never too far. (1:25:18) It's sobering. (1:25:22) It's all physical. (1:25:28) The soul cannot communicate without one receiver. Speaker 5 (1:25:37) Maybe we have a receiver or the other stations that receive ideas. (1:25:43) And one of them is, how do you say, it doesn't work. Speaker 2 (1:25:48) Nothing happens. Speaker 1 (1:25:51) Let's have a transmitter and a receiver. Speaker 6 (1:25:54) Just when it says the brain is dead, does every action do it? (1:26:03) Does that all come from the brain? Speaker 2 (1:26:06) A lot of organs have this what we call auto-mechanism. (1:26:09) The heart can keep beating with special built-in mechanism. Speaker 6 (1:26:14) Does it come from there? Speaker 2 (1:26:15) The heart would repeat the same function. (1:26:18) How fast it goes, which one to you know, which one to pump more blood and which to pump less blood. (1:26:27) So it's a controlled course. (1:26:28) Some organs have their own built-in mechanism. (1:26:32) But the brain has to balance it. (1:26:35) It has to balance the kidney with the heart with the whole balance system. (1:26:38) If one works more than the other, then you lost everything. (1:26:42) Like the computer, they have to set exactly per second, per millionth of a second how much blood comes out and how much the heart beats would go and how much goes to your big toe and how much goes to your feet. (1:26:56) So this is exactly controlled. (1:26:58) If it was the brain, this is not really controlled very much. (1:27:01) But the heart, I think we've always seen it go. (1:27:08) It's going to run for a little bit. Speaker 6 (1:27:11) Yeah, for a little bit, but for a long time. (1:27:15) Continuously? Speaker 2 (1:27:16) No, no, it's going to be the same way. (1:27:18) So these people, they have to kill the machines. (1:27:20) What the machine does is keep pumping things to the heart and make it come back. (1:27:24) They have to keep putting oxygen down the lungs and the will and go up. (1:27:28) We have to have things going to the kidneys. (1:27:30) And also for a period of time. (1:27:33) After a while, everything is deteriorating because you can't balance, do the balance as much as the brain. (1:27:40) Your chemistry continues to screw up when the brain goes away. Speaker 3 (1:27:42) As long as the lungs are still alive when the brain surgery is done, the lungs are the same way as the heart, or the kidneys. Speaker 2 (1:27:58) When we were little kids, we used to think that the goose lung had a blow on it to make fun of it. (1:28:04) You do the same thing to the brain. (1:28:08) So it wouldn't be up in his eyes. (1:28:09) The blood keeps going up and down. (1:28:11) And the heart is pumping, the blood goes to the heart, the oxygen goes back. (1:28:17) They have equipment where they put special pumps inside the heart to keep all that going and pump the blood to the heart. (1:28:26) All kinds of fancy stuff. Speaker 3 (1:28:29) I don't understand. (1:28:33) If the brain does not work properly, the body is malfunctioning? Speaker 1 (1:28:42) That's about it. (1:28:43) The body is quite malfunctioning. Speaker 2 (1:28:48) You know, most probably, most probably, we can procure organs for them. (1:28:54) We do have some functions of the brain that keep things going. (1:29:00) But the parts which really don't do the thinking and the real living, which is the soul, you know, also if you open his head, most of the things will find a little bruise and a little blood clot, but the rest of the brain is okay. (1:29:12) But actually, we look at it this way, the brain is dead. (1:29:15) What it actually means is the soul is out. (1:29:17) The brain might have been okay, but we don't know that. (1:29:19) I mean, you can physically say the soul is out. (1:29:22) You can do that. (1:29:23) You can say the brain is dead. (1:29:25) The brain is dead is actually the soul is out. (1:29:26) Is the brain intact? (1:29:28) Yeah, but I think it doesn't need to be. (1:29:30) The brain is intact. (1:29:31) The soul is out. (1:29:32) It doesn't work. (1:29:40) The system is gone. Speaker 6 (1:29:41) It's gone. (1:29:42) But maybe there is some function. Speaker 2 (1:29:44) Oh yeah, there are functions. Speaker 6 (1:29:45) But, the brain is dead. (1:29:48) He's dead. Speaker 1 (1:29:50) Sometimes the brain is not dead and the person is gone. (1:29:53) Like, this is Bill Schrader who lived 19 months without the thought. (1:30:00) The body was functioning. (1:30:02) The person was eating and drinking and going to the bathroom. Speaker 6 (1:30:05) But he didn't recognize Bill Schrader. (1:30:15) He had some surgery and after that time and then he woke up. (1:30:29) He woke up and after that but for a long time 10 or 15 years he was in that situation. (1:30:40) He was dead. (1:30:41) Actually he was dead. Speaker 1 (1:30:42) What happened after the 10 years? Speaker 6 (1:30:44) And then he came back. (1:30:46) He came back? (1:30:47) Yeah, dead. Speaker 2 (1:30:49) I don't know. (1:30:50) I asked Bill something. (1:30:52) I was more experienced. (1:30:53) He came back for 10 years. (1:30:55) I don't know what you mean. (1:30:56) No, this would be like the people of the cave. (1:31:00) They were asleep for 300 years. Speaker 6 (1:31:03) Because of that, everybody knew about it. Speaker 2 (1:31:05) Yeah, I heard about a few days he lived. (1:31:08) He knew about his girlfriend's actions, for 6 or 7 years. (1:31:12) And that's why nothing happened. (1:31:16) He came back? (1:31:17) I don't know. (1:31:18) I was just reading about it. (1:31:21) He did about it the same way. (1:31:22) But that's why also many families when they have their loved ones in a similar situation although they blame them, they always have been hoping for this minute when their loved ones will come back like these little stories we hear. (1:31:37) And most of the time it doesn't. (1:31:38) Most of the time your body deteriorates. (1:31:40) Sitting in bed, you get grits all, you get pneumonia, you get all kinds of infections and your body is waiting for it to come back. (1:31:49) And nobody knows if you ever come back. (1:31:51) And you start seeing your loved ones getting in terrible miserable state. (1:31:55) I mean it happens all the time. (1:31:56) But that's not just in the Quran. (1:31:58) People in the cave were asleep for 309 years. Speaker 1 (1:32:03) But if anybody walked into the cave they came back and said, let's have lunch. Speaker 2 (1:32:08) Here is some money, go get us some lunch. Speaker 1 (1:32:11) This is ancient money for the market.