# Messenger Audio 30.2 (05-Nov-1982)

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(0:01) First of all, He's not. (0:07) The Jewish Bible says that. (0:10) Olive refers to Noah. (0:14) The Bible says that a raven was sent, and the raven, I think, disappeared. (0:18) Then a dove, or pigeon, was sent. (0:20) Pigeon came with some leaves, olive leaves. (0:23) Then we knew there was life. (0:26) Sinai refers to Mount Sinai, and therefore to Moses. (0:28) And the Holy Land, referring to Mecca, refers to Abraham, and therefore to Muhammad. (0:35) As I said before, the Qur'an does not mention that Adam dressed himself with pig leaves. (0:41) The Qur'an does not mention that Noah sent a pigeon, which came back with olive branches and so on. (0:51) Incidentally, I met another person, you know, who's not aware of this. (0:56) This fellow, Sayyid Qutb, a very good man, who was here during Nasser's regime. (1:01) Sayyid Qutb says this, huh? (1:04) What was discussed here. (1:05) But he does not try to prove it. (1:09) He was using his religious intuition. (1:11) And a very good man like this has sound religious intuition. (1:17) A very good man, I like him so much, we sympathize with him, he was killed. (1:24) But Sayyid Qutb was using a kind of theory on account of his religious inclination and religious intuition. (1:31) He said the same thing, that this refers to Adam, Noah, and so on, so on, so on. (1:36) Now we also accepted this, huh, didn't we? More or less. (1:39) We accepted this because it made sense. (1:44) But, now we raise the question. (1:48) The Bible has taught us something about it. (1:50) Can we now reject it with the Qur'an? (1:56) Alhamdulillah. (1:57) In Surah 3, verse 33, now listen carefully, huh. (2:03) In Surah 3, verse 33, look what Allah says. (2:06) And I quote, Allah has chosen Adam, okay? (2:13) Noah, the family of Abraham, and the family of Imran as messengers to all the people of God. (2:22) Do you understand? That is the key. (2:25) Therefore that interpretation which we accepted that evening is a good one. (2:31) Because it is supported by the Qur'an itself. (2:34) Look what the Qur'an says. (2:37) By the fig, we say fig, Adam. (2:40) By the olive, Noah. (2:43) By Mount Sinai, Moses. (2:45) And by the Amin, Abraham, and so on. (2:51) We were using our religious inclination. (2:54) But Allah helps us. (2:55) He tells it to us in the Qur'an. (2:57) Allah has chosen Adam. (2:59) There, the fig, Noah. (3:02) There is the fig, the olive, the family of Abraham. (3:08) That refers to Ibrahim, Ismail, and Muhammad. (3:13) By the Amin. (3:15) And the family of Imran. (3:17) The family of Imran is the family of Moses, Harun, and Christ. (3:23) Because Christ, the mother of Christ, belongs to the family of Harun. (3:28) She belongs to Imran. (3:29) So here, I think we should really be convinced that when Allah says, (3:35) He will explain it to us. (3:36) He has the proof somewhere. (3:38) Only what's needed is for us to love the Qur'an. (3:41) And the more we love it, the more it opens itself to our understanding. (3:47) Thus, the interpretation of Ta'if culture, the explanation of the Qur'an, (3:52) I think they are very good, acceptable. (3:56) Not because they say so, but because the Qur'an confirms it, ok? (4:01) Now, let's go a little bit further, ok? (4:06) That same verse, that same chapter, 95, is that right? (4:11) 95? (4:13) 95. (4:15) After saying, what has arrived in Amin? (4:19) Qur'an says, (4:21) We created the human in the best design. (4:26) Then we reverted him or reduced him to the lowliest of the lowly. (4:32) Except those who believe and want righteousness, (4:35) they will enjoy a well-deserved recompense. (4:41) This first line, (4:42) We created the human in the best design. (4:47) This, I think, is the rope of perfect obedience. (4:51) That's the original rope. (4:52) That's how Allah created Adam and Eve, (4:55) in a state of perfect obedience. (4:58) Then we reverted him to the lowliest of the lowly. (5:02) This is what happens when people disobey Allah. (5:06) When the rope of obedience is taken away from him, (5:13) and he becomes disobedient, (5:14) then he becomes the lowliest of the lowly. (5:20) Except those who believe and want righteousness. (5:23) The word is not that one. (5:24) It is Salih al-Khalil, who wrote his own. (5:28) But these, who are those who believe and want righteousness? (5:31) These are the people who wear the rope of righteousness. (5:36) This magnificent and splendid rope. (5:38) They will deserve paradise. (5:40) They will enjoy a well-deserved recompense. (5:43) It is a rope that will make them deserve paradise, (5:47) because it is a perfect rope, (5:49) and taught by Allah Himself for us to wear. (5:53) And so, you can now see, dear brothers and sisters, (5:56) that Surah 95, which begins with Adam. (6:00) What? (6:01) Being Adam, ends up with what? (6:05) With the children of Adam. (6:08) And actually, in the Quran it says, (6:09) we have taught the children of Adam, (6:12) how to wear the rope of righteousness. (6:48) But all that Allah has given them, they steal. (6:54) They will not be ashamed. (6:57) It will be a shame. (7:00) Everything that Allah has done for them, (7:02) and His name will be disobeyed. (7:05) They are ashamed. (7:07) It is a consequence of their intellect, (7:10) their morals, their faith. (7:12) And if you see, not as big as that. (7:14) Because part of righteousness is a decent life. (7:16) Adam is only an instance. (7:18) You know, like in Protestant Christianity, (7:21) that is the most emphasized thing, (7:23) the most pure thing. (7:24) Especially after the coming of Freud. (7:28) The enemies of Christianity started to imagine everything. (7:34) What do they call the forbidden fruit? (7:36) The seeded banana, you know. (7:38) You heard about it. (7:39) The seeded banana. (7:43) Banana with seeds. (7:45) That was the fruit. (7:46) It became like a joke already. (8:04) What is my proof for that? (8:12) Because it follows the same thing. (8:14) It says, and, and the hope of righteousness is better. (8:19) The people interpreted that, they stopped. (8:21) God gave them good clothes, period. (8:23) Then He said, but, because the word but can also mean but. (8:27) As if it's something else. (8:28) So God teaches them good things, good expensive garments. (8:32) And then God says, however better than this is that. (8:34) No, this is that. (8:36) And. (8:38) God says, I give you A and B. (8:42) So it's good and splendid. (8:43) Yeah. (8:45) I give you A and B. (8:47) B is not a substitute to A. (8:49) But that B is a qualification of A. (8:52) I give you splendid garments. (8:55) And the one of righteousness is better. (8:58) Better than the leaves. (9:01) Not better than the splendid garments. (9:04) Now, even the leaves of paradise could be symbolic of something. (9:09) Yeah, I have. (9:10) But. (9:13) That's, I mean, like it just shows the gross interpretation even in the biblical. (9:17) It's good that Quranic translation didn't say but. (9:20) It just says period. (9:22) Then it says. (9:23) He uses what as a period. (9:26) He says garments as a luxury. (9:28) The garments of righteousness are better. (9:34) He doesn't say however the other garments. (9:38) What I'm trying to say is that. (9:40) That second one is not a choice. (9:43) No, it's one substitute for the other one. (9:45) But one sentence is a continuation of the other. (9:50) It's like saying. (9:51) I will give you. (9:53) He is good and intelligent. (9:59) He can be both good and. (10:02) Intelligent. (10:03) Not that intelligence is better than the first one. (10:06) Now, I notice the translations are. (10:09) Are influenced by. (10:12) By that biblical sermon that teaches them. (10:15) These clothes. (10:17) You mentioned this. (10:18) Yeah. (10:18) Yeah. (10:19) Because the Quran is not at all cruel. (10:23) Quran hopefully says this is not a problem. (10:26) The problem is righteousness. (10:27) If your righteousness is not a problem, decency follows. (10:34) That's a problem. (10:35) That's in translating from Arabic to English. (10:39) English being a language is strongly influenced by Christianity. (10:43) Now, is that prominent? (10:44) I fear that's not. (10:47) That's Arabic. (10:47) There is no Christian people. (10:51) Yeah. (10:58) What's this? (10:59) Indonesian treat. (11:00) It should be familiar to the. (11:03) It's familiar to me. (11:05) I'm sorry. (11:06) Indonesian treat. (11:07) So far I. (11:08) I already had one. (11:11) That's why he skipped you. (11:13) Like this. (11:14) I'm sorry. (11:15) It's fine. <mark style="color:red;">**(11:23) Right. (11:26) You like it?**</mark> (11:27) Yeah. <mark style="color:red;">**(11:28) And the requirement is righteousness. (11:30) Then we acquired the original garment of Adam and Eve when they were sinless.**</mark> (11:35) That is the re-contents of paradise, right? (11:37) Next time. (11:39) I don't know. (11:39) Next time we can go. (11:42) Like the meaning of the treatment. (11:45) We have identified the meaning of the treatment. (11:48) This is a problem. (11:52) Give me a hint in the first half. (11:55) I mean, first third, second third, and third. (11:57) The treat? (12:00) Yeah. (12:01) It is a. (12:03) Don't say what it is. (12:04) Let me see if I can find it myself. (12:05) Give me. (12:07) It's in the night journey. (12:09) It's in the night journey. (12:10) I don't know. (12:11) The chapter called Najm. (12:13) On the star. (12:15) Fifteen. (12:24) It will be part of the mystic analysis. (12:29) I hope you have also notes. (12:31) I have this other note. (12:32) He said. (12:33) He said. (12:34) We created the human in the best design. (12:37) So this is. (12:37) You're in a thought which is. (12:39) I don't know. (12:39) I don't know. (12:40) You're sleeping. (12:40) Yes, I am. (12:41) You don't know who is God. (12:42) Right. (12:43) Right. (12:44) Would I end up? (12:46) I think. (12:49) Yeah. (13:06) I got it. (13:08) No, no. (13:09) This is something else. (13:10) The original one. (13:11) This is twenty hundred eighteen. (13:15) Twenty hundred eighteen is the original cloth. (13:18) The original cloth. (13:19) Let me see. (13:20) Let me see. (13:22) Twenty hundred eighteen. (13:23) You are guaranteed that you don't hunger. (13:25) That you don't love them. (13:27) They are very naked. (13:29) Yeah. (13:30) Then they become naked. (13:32) See. (13:34) God is becoming visible. (13:38) Yeah. (13:39) Because this is interpretation. (13:40) This is interpretation. (13:42) Yeah. (13:42) Because it's shame. (13:43) There's shame. (13:44) There's something to hide. (13:45) I like that part. <mark style="color:red;">**(14:00) Did you want the verse, Maryam? (14:04) Two. (14:05) One.**</mark> (14:13) Okay. <mark style="color:red;">**(14:14) We'll start at sixty. (14:15) Yeah, you're right. (14:16) Sixty-two. (14:22) Bismillahirrahmanirrahim. (14:23) In the name of God, most gracious, most merciful. (14:26) Verse sixty-two is subtitled, Minimum Requirement for Salvation. (14:31) And this is one of the most important verses and doctrines in Quran. (14:36) Yeah. (14:38) Two. (14:39) Page seven. (14:43) This is a very important doctrine in Islam. (14:47) Because people will come to you and ask, (14:49) Can a Christian make it to heaven? (14:52) Can a Jew make it to heaven? (14:55) Can a person who converted from Christianity to Judaism, (14:58) Judaism to Islam or Islam to Christianity, (15:01) can this person make it to heaven?**</mark> (15:05) Sixty-two. <mark style="color:red;">**(15:06) Very good question. (15:07) Are the Muslims the only people who make it to heaven? (15:11) So, the answer is in this verse. (15:14) Those who believe, those who are Jewish, the Christians and the converts, (15:21) any of them who believe in God and the last day and lead a righteous life, (15:26) shall receive the recompense from the Lord, (15:30) have nothing to fear, nor will they grieve. (15:34) So, I hope you add this part that dropped in the translation. (15:37) Shall receive the recompense from the Lord, (15:40) and they have nothing to fear, nor will they grieve. (15:44) If you join any other religion, (15:47) in the past or in the future, (15:50) and they tell you, these are the only people who will go to heaven, (15:53) you will take off. (15:56) Just flee, because they are wrong. (15:59) What this verse is telling us, that anybody who believes in God, (16:04) the creator of this universe, the ruler of this universe, (16:09) and believes in the day of judgment, accountability, resurrection, (16:13) and leads a righteous life, (16:15) that person has attained the minimum requirements of salvation and will go to heaven. (16:21) Whether he is Jewish, or Christian, or Muslim, or Buddhist, or anything. (16:26) Yes.**</mark> (16:28) some of them are really following Jesus you know. (16:32) well then they don't believe in God. <mark style="color:red;">**(16:35) No. (16:36) No, believe in God-**</mark> <mark style="color:red;">**(16:44) Right, so you don't believe, you didn't believe in God. (16:53) You believed in a false God.**</mark> (16:55) You believed that there was something else too. <mark style="color:red;">**(16:57) No, no, no, here believe in God means, you believe in the creator of this universe. (17:02) Now if you believe in Jesus, or in Buddha as a God, you are not believing in God.**</mark> (17:06) Well, that's what the, yeah, well I mean now I realize that, (17:09) but that's what the Christian, and the Catholic, especially, I mean, (17:13) the Buddhist, the Mary, everything, <mark style="color:red;">**(17:15) God says, he makes them satisfied with their belief. (17:19) That is their choice, God will make them satisfied with that. (17:23) But this statement is regardless of anything else. (17:25) Any person who believes in God. (17:28) And we're talking about only one thing. (17:32) There is only one God. (17:33) And you're either believing in him, or another false God. (17:38) You believe in Jesus as God, and you firmly believe in God, (17:42) but you're not believing in God. (17:44) You are believing in a false God. (17:48) And believing in God also implies believing in God alone.**</mark> <mark style="color:red;">**(17:53) Because if you believe in God, you will not go to minute creatures as gods. (18:07) Well, then you don't believe in God. (18:09) Because when you believe in God, you know that he is much too glorified, (18:16) much too glorious to have a son. (18:18) You'll understand, you'll understand. (18:21) Of course. (18:22) You'll understand that God does not need to reproduce himself. (18:27) Does not need to preserve the species. (18:30) And that reproduction and children is a characteristic of immortals. (18:35) So, when you say a son of God, you don't believe in God. (18:39) In the long run. (18:41) Yeah. (18:44) Right. (18:52) They will do it, if they believe in God, they will do it by instinct. (18:57) And if they come across it in Quran, they will have no objection to it. (19:01) They will do it. (19:06) Yeah. (19:09) Yes, they do. (19:10) There are a few individuals who reach the belief in God, (19:15) and they do the prayers by instinct. (19:17) They fall prostrate. (19:17) The answer to your questions in Surah 3, verse, I think it's about 65. (19:23) Surah 3, let's go to that one. (19:25) Because in the Quran, (19:31) you have to take the whole, (19:35) the whole of the Quran. (19:40) Okay, I'll give you the verse number soon. (20:00) In 101? (20:05) Okay, righteous Jews and Christians. (20:09) Okay, now this is the answer to Debbie's question. (20:14) 113. (20:15) They are not all alike. (20:17) Among the people of the scripture, that is Jews and Christians, (20:20) there are those who are righteous. (20:22) They recite God's scripture throughout the night, (20:26) and they fall prostrate. (20:28) See? (20:29) They actually do. (20:30) I've met people like that. (20:32) So they are doing the Salat by instinct. (20:35) However, they don't have the complete, the correct meal. (20:39) You know? (20:39) It's like they are feeding their soul, but not the complete meal. (20:45) It's like you are feeding your body only starch, (20:50) carbohydrates, without the vitamins, and so forth. (20:54) Your body will grow and will be sustained, but it will be weak. (20:58) That's why the next verse is important. (21:01) 114 says, they believe in God in the last day, (21:04) they advocate righteousness and forbid evil, (21:06) and they are eager to work righteousness. (21:09) They are pious. (21:10) Now, next one is the one I mean. (21:12) Whatever good they do will never go unrewarded. (21:15) So, they'll be rewarded for what they are doing, (21:18) but they do not have the complete recipe, the complete meal. (21:25) They have to come to Islam, they have to do their prayers. (21:27) Our advantage is that we have the whole thing described to us in detail, (21:32) as to how to develop and grow our soul. (21:35) But a Christian, or a Jew, or a Buddhist, or a Hindu, (21:38) who comes to the conviction that he believes or she believes in God, (21:42) and when I say God, you know what I'm talking about. (21:45) Not Buddha, and not a monkey, and not a cow, and not Jesus. (21:50) God. (21:51) That's one word. (21:53) If that person believes in God, they will do the prayer instinctively. (21:56) They do it. (21:58) They bow, they prostrate, they make ruku and sujood, (22:01) and they commemorate, they meditate on God, (22:04) and they ask, they glorify God, (22:06) and they ask God for forgiveness, they repent when they make a mistake, (22:09) and they are beautiful, and they go to heaven. (22:16) This is all that is required. (22:21) That's why being hung up on a prophet, or a certain person, is wrong. (22:26) All the prophets want us to forget them and worship God alone. (22:34) Mansur, the brother who was sitting where Inga was, with a beard, (22:38) he's in Phoenix, he lives in Phoenix, he called me yesterday, (22:41) and he's writing something, and he said that, (22:43) he's talking about the requirements, (22:45) and he said, one is ashhadu an la ilaha illallah, the first one, (22:48) do you declare ashhadu an la ilaha illallah, (22:50) wa ashhadu anna muhammadan rasoolallah. (22:52) And they said, no, it's just ashhadu an la ilaha illallah. (22:55) Because, how about Noah, (22:57) why don't you say ashhadu an la noah rasoolallah. (23:00) Yes? (23:01) How about Lot, Salih, Hud?**</mark> <mark style="color:red;">**(23:05) How about Ibrahim, or Jesus, or Moses? (23:07) Why, the Quran tells us twice, (23:11) that we should not make distinction among the prophets. (23:13) So, but, what is required of anybody is to declare that there is no god except God. (23:20) So this is a very important doctrine, (23:26) and it shows the tolerance of, (23:28) this is the truth, (23:30) God is the most tolerant, (23:34) and what is required, (23:36) some people don't even have a religion, (23:37) they come to the conviction, this universe is created by a creator, (23:41) who must be worshipped, and then God takes over. (23:43) Once the person makes a decision, (23:45) God teaches them to do the salat. (23:48) They may even do more than we do, (23:51) more than the five prayers, (23:52) because the five prayers are the minimum. (23:57) Whenever you feel like it, you should get up and do some prayers. (24:00) But don't be pushed too much, either. (24:04) But because of the hunger of their soul, (24:06) and because they reach the truth, (24:08) they may do a lot more glorifying of God, (24:11) asking forgiveness, and everything. (24:15) You don't believe that Jesus is the son of God, or a god, (24:17) or you don't believe that Mary has any power, (24:21) and you don't believe that the cow is sacred, etc. (24:24) You believe in God. (24:26) So this is, I'm going to read the verse again, (24:29) verse 62. (24:31) Those who believe, (24:32) like us, believe in this, (24:35) those who are Jewish, (24:37) the Christians, and the converts, (24:39) any of them who believe in God and the last day, (24:42) and lead a righteous life, (24:44) shall receive the recompense from the Lord, (24:46) and they have nothing to fear, (24:48) nor will they grieve. (24:52) Now this, (24:54) this verse makes the Hadith people very uncomfortable, (24:59) because the Hadith goes against this. (25:04) Hadith will tell you that you have to be a Muslim who believes in God, (25:07) and that Muhammad is this and that, (25:09) in order to go to heaven. (25:11) Hadith will tell you a Jew or a Christian will go to heaven, (25:14) if you believe in God. (25:16) Because it's made by Satan.**</mark> <mark style="color:red;">**(25:30) Any other questions on this important topic?**</mark>


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